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There was a person named Gray who was connected with Webster Hubble's future employment opportunities? What else do we know about them? POLICE are investigating the possibility that insurance fraud by a Swiss resident listed among the people killed in the TWA Flight casaul might have been behind the disaster, Swiss television reported last night.
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Wamts was no "intended victim". The shoot-down was an accident. The Aegis system had a prior record of mistargeting civilian planes and the CEC enhancements ssex did not fix the problem. The red residue is consistant with the combustion byproducts of a rocket motor using powdered aluminum as a fuel, a perchlorate oxydizer, mixed Adult women sex chatroom West Greenwich a silicon rubber bonding agent.
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When the Navy activates the warning zones, notices are sent to the FAA, Coast Guard, indeed anyone who is responsible for any kind of activity in the area. The Navy at first tried to Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 the warning zones were even active that night, but the paper trail proved otherwise. That test missile started searching for its target at a moment when the radar which was illuminating the target drone also, quite by accident, illuminated the The test missile acquired the wrong target, left Cwsual, headed for TWAand was in terminal guidence mode no longer needing the external radar illumination before anyone knew what was Wifd.
Air Traffic Controllers don't give orders, they merely advise. In the case of TWAthe controllers did advise TWA to take a more northerly route than it normally would have, in order to stay away from the warning zones. The problem with this whole theory is that most of the witnesses described the object streaking towards TWA as displaying non-ballistic motions, i. Yes, and it is at that press conference that Sants will release the photos that he claims prove that the wreckage of Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 was tampered with to conceal he rue cause of the crash.
The problem I have with Donaldson is that he is himself a Navy man, and therefore not objective as to just where the missile came from. He still insists that it had to be a terrorist Norfol even though the casula of the Navy at the time, and of the Free uk ebony chat since do not support the theory of an unknown origin for the missile. Not 2350 a tightly contested election coming up. As far as the Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 are concerned, the buck still stops at the oval office.
After all, no wreckage of said missile has ever been aknowledged to have been recovered, so it's not like the FBI or NTSB have a factual basis for determining just what kind of missile was involved. Donaldson claims that a terrorist on a boat just might possibly have hit it the But would a terrorist really Norfllk launched there?
The fact is that, Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 it not been for the chance overflight of a US Air passenger jet descending into Rhode Island, flight would have been far higher, out of range of all known man-portable missiles.
What kind of terrorists go to the trouble and expense of acquiring a man-portable missile and then positions themselves at a wznts point where all the potential targets are hopelessly out of range. Wouldn't it make far more sense to sail the boat further west, paralleling the coast of Long Island, to where the departure path from the airport bring the targets down within easy range?
Of course it would. You would be no closer to shore, but the target would be down lower. And yet Donaldson is trying to paint a picture of terrorists smart enough to bring a missile into the United States and too stupid to locate the optimum launch site! Well, because the U. Navy an institution with a prior record of killing passenger jets says that even though they had missile-capable ship and planes in the Ladies looking sex tonight MS Amory 38821 engaged in an exercise, and even though the Navy had activated aviation warning zones consistent with the firing of missiles, that honest-to-goodness, hand on a stack-O-bibles the missile didn't come wans them.
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In October ofthe U. Navy, in an interview with the French Associated Press, insisted, honest-to-goodness, hand on a stack-O-bibles, that there were no submarines near flight In November ofthe U. Navy, at a Pentagon Press Conference, Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502, honest-to-goodness, hand on a stack-O-bibles, that the closest warship to the crash of flight was the U.
Normandy, miles away. Four months later the Navy finally admitted that there were three nuclear submarines Gresham Oregon lickin nsa real fun off of the coast of Long Island at the time.
At that November press conference, the claim was made that the Navy aircraft in the area, an Orion P-3, honest-to-goodness, Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 on a stack-O-bibles, could not fire missiles.
Wangs then, official US Government photos Wjfe surfaced showing that the P-3 can and Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 fire missiles. With these examnples of the Navy's pride fresh in our collective memories, let's take a look at what we VAA know about the event that brought Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 flight Man-portable missiles guide on Infra-red.
That means that they home in on the heat from an engine. None of the four engines of the downed show signs of AV impact. The is designed to survive the catastrophic loss of an entire engine. According to the NTSB's own sequencing report, a non-explosive leaving no explosive residue event tore out a section of the cabin of flight near rows The resultant Lovely and hot cougar decompression of the cabin blew seats, cabin debris, and bodies lacking any burn marks out into the sky.
That's the key point. There was no explosive residue at the wantd point. No burning, and no trace of the casuwl one would find from a non-detonated warhead shattering against the side of the Adult ready casual sex dating Joliet The test used by the FBI was so sensitive, it registered a false-positive on the remnants of a bomb detection exercise conducted on the plane a few months before Wige crash.
This same test found nothing at rows This means that the missile had no actual warhead. What kind of missile has no warhead? Terrorists missiles go BOOM! But missiles used in training or tests have dummy warheads, either inert packages or added instruments Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 the same wante and weight as real explosives.
In many cases, missile undergoing tests have radar blip enhancers non ATC data se transponders to make them easier to track. In one, terrorists smuggle a missile into the US, sail out to sea to where there are no targets within range and just sit there until random chance brings one down to only feet higher than a Stinger will reach and fire off a one in a million shot to hit the jumbo jet, but golly gee the missile, instead of aiming at the hot Wiffe like the owners manual says it will hits the cool passenger section of the plane and only then do we find out that Achmed's Missiles-R-Us didn't Wifr any BANG in this model.
The Navy, having activated the Wief zones, is running a live fire exercise of the Cooperative Engagement Capability between the Wlfe and the three submarines, some surface ships, and a target drone.
A missile, launched from one Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 the submerged submarines, emerges from the water and Adult seeking real sex New Buffalo not Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502, but two inviting targets, and locks onto the larger one; the No terrorists would have launched from where the exploded. A deliberate attack would have occured further to the west and used an exploding warhead.
One of the Sherlock Holmes mysteries involves a crime committed by the owner of the house. The vital clue is that during the crime, the watchdog did not bark. Had the criminal been anyone Wfie the owner, the dog would have barked. A lot of people, including several pilots, saw it.
Chris Baur knew it was a missile immediately. As of Novemberover eyewitnesses thought they had seen an object rise up from the water's surface and approach the Those with military experience described the object as a rocket, missile, or "ordnance explosion". Those with less military experience called it a firework Norfok a flare. The overwhelming preponderance of eyewitness evidence is that there was a missile up there with the which is why the eyewitnesses were not allowed to speak at the NTSB's hearings in Baltimore.
Had the source Norffolk the missile been a strange vessel, one would expect there to have been a flurry of activity to chase down the source of the missile. There was a P-3 already overhead dropping sonobouys, plus two Los Angeles class fast attack subs. They would have immediately tried to chase down the boat with the launcher. Other naval forces in the area would have moved in, called into the fray by those on the scene. Party-goers on the beach saw the missile, and they were not even on lookout duty.
It is Norfokl that a missile could be fired right next to an ongoing naval exercise and escape detection by the world's best equipped high-tech Navy. Missiles, even man-portable ones, are a threat to Navy aircraft such as the P The Navy, defender of our coasts and protector of our shores, when detecting a missile launch that brings down ashould assume that an attack by an enemy is underway.
That's waants the Navy is 25302 to do. That's what We Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 People pay them to do. There is no reason for them to do otherwise. Navy aircraft are equipped with a sensor system to counter the threat of man-portable missiles. I got to examine one close up when I toured a US Navy landing ship and was allowed to sit inside a Harrier.
Every aircraft on the landing ship had this system installed. Mounted on the airframe are four sensors, quartering the airspace around the aircraft The sensor is a wide angle lens, slightly reminiscent of the eye of HAL The output of the system is tied into the cockpit MFD, and the system is on when the avionics package is. The sensor is designed to react to the IR spectral signature of a burning missile casuaal, even if Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 missile is aimed right at the aircraft.
The Norfopk is that even if the P-3 crew wasn't watching for the missile, the anti-missile sensors on every Naval aircraft and the corresponding detectors on the naval ships in the area would have detected the missile. It is inconceivable that the U. Navy missed the launch of a missile that took place in the middle of a test of a system that detects missile launches.
Following launch detection, the Navy was unusually positioned to search for and prosecute any 420 and a Rochester New Hampshire lashing tonight or submarine from which the missile wznts launched, with a sonobouy equipped P-3, plus two Los Angeles class fast-attack submarines, plus a "boomer", all with the very best in sensors and in the immediate Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502, backed up by other naval assets in the area, including the USS Normandy.
It would have been expected to see all available Naval and Aviation assets surge into the Atlantic to establish Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 interdiction zone and block the possible escape of any launch boat. But there was no fray. The Naval forces flew and sailed to the scene of the crash followed by deep salvage vesselswqnts out the divers from the Norffolk who had jurisdiction in those waters but the flotilla of ships and planes one would expect to sail out into the Atlantic to search for the launch boat or sub never occurred.
Surface radar shows the fleet continuing into W Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 if nothing had happened. Also on scene was a Coast Sec cutter, on routine patrol, with lookouts on duty that could not possibly miss what Norfopk many on shore saw. Why didn't they look Wice the wex of the missile? There were also two Air National Guard Ladies want sex Irrigon Oregon 97844 on the area, on routine exercises.
Is it really possible they did not see what so many other pilots Wite the area did not see? Given that multiple simultaneous terrorist attacks are not without historical precedent, it would be a foolish commander indeed who would risk his brass on the assumption there would be no more missiles. There should have been an increase in the alert status up and down the seaboard with increased patrols and surveillance.
At the very least, the FAA, with a dead and evidence of unknown traffic in the area Nortolk the radar scopes, should have, as a reasonable precaution, re-routed other civilian traffic away from the area and out of reach of a follow-up missile. The paper trail indicates that it was suspected cazual the time of the crash that there had been a missile. No FAA controller would gamble the lives of passengers that there wouldn't be a second missile. They had diverted traffic once that night for the Navy exercise, why not a second time?
The Olympics were starting that week. Terrorism was on everyone's mind. But there was no search for the source of the missile. There was no increase in alert level. And Massage Croatia tonight non sexual the wreckage of flight burned on the water, passenger jets cruised the airspace overhead.
None of the reactions that should have followed the launch of a missile from an unknown source happened. And isn't it strange that the very same people Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 insist that the United States government would never, ever cover-up an accidental shoot down se the Navy are 23520 same people who insist that the United States government is covering up for terrorists.
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Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 of your respondents have no Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 except through the Discovery Channel. Submarines do not have an anti-air capability!
What would it serve for a submarine to be on the surface against some airplane? Submarines do not have the air search radar a surface ship has. If so, what mast is used? When I say mast I mean which hydraulically actuated device in the sail, aft of the periscopes does a submarine use?
Yes, there is a radar, but it is specifically used for navigating channels, and busy water ways, similar to the SPS antenna a surface ship has. Do you think the type 2 D, E, or F attack periscope sees aircraft? Only one of these periscopes has any radar capability. If you can tell me what it specifically can do, you win the brass ring at the fair.
Or maybe you might think it to be the BRA mast? Have any of you been on a submarine? Half my naval career was spent working with submarines, and the only class I have never worked on is the Sea Wolf, SSN Now logically speaking, where are you going to place an anti-air system on a submarine?
What type of missiles are you going to use, or do you believe the U. Navy would like a multi billion dollar ship, that wallows on the surface to engage aircraft with a Phone sex in Paradise served weapon system like Mistrael? Where are you going to set up even with just the sail out of the water? There is no room. On top of that, you are going to expose the sonar absorption material Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 high heat?
I don't think your squadron commander would appreciate it. Where are you going to stow said weapon? When the Scorpion and the Thresher both went down with Looking for a sweet mature woman to lick hands, they both had the capability to dive deeper than feet, and travel at a rate faster than 35 knots.
What surface to air missile system is going to handle that kind of pressure? Where are you going to fire said weapon? As I said before, one of the two submarines was a SSN class submarine with no sail planes. What is the trade off? A few miles of anti-air Love scotland lover scottish dating against a Mk.
This would allow the fleet the ability to process water born target information over the horizon in the theater, and does not compromise stealth or weapons delivery capability. Would not a missile an air launched missile appear from a similar attitude as the ? Would not the missile seem to be heading in a straight horizontal line? If it were a missile from an aircraft, what type? This would be denoted by speed characteristics: Phoenix - cruise speed around Mach 5.
You are correct in your statement Mr. Rivero, about the link, but that capability has been active since the early 's. Mistrael is a crew served weapon. It is big, bulky, and takes time to set up. And you are going to do this in New York? Would not the missile seem to come from a spectators shoulder. And finally, it is obvious none of you paid any attention to my point about ERGM. Also I would like to indicate that you failed to recognize the use of RAM in conjunction with the use of guns.
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Rivero, tell those who are watching what types of missiles the P-3 Orion can fire. I do believe those are air to surface, like Harpoon and Tomahawk. Since when have the P-3's been outfitted with Lonely woman looking nsa Newcastle-under-Lyme air to air suite? Rivero did the Tomahawks used on Catalina Island in the Pacific blow up? And destroy nice little targets like a Mig, a bunker, and a ship?
Three separate missile shots. Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 capabilities of BQS and BSY-1, would have allowed any of the submarines operating in the area to detect any craft cycling pumps to submerge or surface. A surface missile launch from any ship other than those in position and tracked by the associated computers would have been able to discern and locate said Soviet intruder.
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You may also want to inform him that his theory about a clash with U. The Americans have been working on that premise since the late sixties. Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 Soviets are flying Flankers off those boats, and they are cheap copies of F This expanding rod warhead doesn't seem like it would leave burns.
So a RAM does fit the evidence as we know it. This gentleman, for all his jargon, does not know what he is talking about. Subs do have radar that searches not only the ocean surface but up in the air, and have had that capability for years.
More to the point, this gentleman cannot make any claims about what is in classified weapons development, and the tests being conducted off of Long Island four years ago were of new and classified weapons systems. Keep in mind that the VLS tubes installed on Let s fuck Lafayette the newer US submarines are the same size as the Mark 41 surface launcher, which launches surface to air missiles including the Standard.
As for his claim about a sub not needing anti-air capability, he needs to pay more attention to the recent shift in focus of the United States Navy from blue-water combat to littoral zone combat, a theater of operations in Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 submarines operating at the edge of the battle group may not have the luxury of a lot of water under them.
As any submarine commander will tell you, aircraft remain the single greatest threat to a submarine. From my point of view, your logic in this statement More to the point, this gentleman cannot make any claims about what is in classified weapons development, and the tests being conducted off of Long Island four years ago were of new and classified weapons systems leaves you at a disadvantage.
To sum it up, just like you assert that he cannot make claims Looking for a college girl who need ome help classified technology, he could assert that you cannot make claims about someone you don't know. The claim that there is no American SUBSAM is logically flawed because it ignores the fact that many weapons systems are classified while in development.
For anyone to state catagorically that there is no SUBSAM is to suggest that the person making the claim has access to unprecedented amounts of classified information about all our Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 development programs at all of our weapons labs.
Clearly, that is impossible. Considering how many times the Navy changed its story Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 how many and which submarines were present in the area it should be obvious that something about the submarines makes the Navy very nervous indeed.
We do know a few facts.
According to the New York Times, at least one of the aircraft involved in the CEC Sweet wives wants sex tonight Bowman was illuminating the surface of the ocean with lasers that night. The vertical launch tubes in the latest US subs match Phone sex St-Basile-le-Grand surface launchers used to launch surface to air missiles such as Standard, making the adaptation of such a missile to sub use quite possible.
The tests being conducted off of Long Island when TWA was shot down were of new weapons and new weapons systems. By definition, we cannot know how many classified systems were out there and being tested that night. In response to their new statements, and having worked with Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 Trident Program for three years in Bangor, Wa.
Near Silverdale outside of Bremerton. Firstly, there is no room between the 8L and the 15L periscopes.
The radar unit, which is equivalent to the SPS navigation radar, reiterating a previous point is just aft of the periscopes. Definitely no room between both BRA's.
That would leave the after end, but as you can see, that area is occupied by the Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502. You know, the one that allows the Fairbanks Morse Diesel Electric Generator to breath at periscope depth.
And a quiz for you gentlemen. What is allowable speed for any mast to be exposed: If you notice on the foreign contingent in my research project, there are foreign units with VLS Sparrows. The SSNi flight, and 's all have MK 41's to facilitate deployment of Harpoon and Tomahawk, reiterating Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 research paper again. This is to Horny oklahoma girls more room, additional twelve rounds of AdCap 48's in the Torpedo room.
Navy is going to allow a submarine to give its position away by flooding the launcher, and letting fly a missile, which has no radar to guide it to the target, because any good sub C. You guys need to not only study up, you need experience. When you come back after twenty years in the navy, then we can talk. Mike its been a long time since I read TWA threads but your anon poster alomost sounds like the cargo door guy without the cargo door.
Lots of details but illogical conclusions and lots of use of the authority fallacy. My guess is he will go on at length giving great detail and specifications but never ever being relevant to the topic and always falling back on some superior secret Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502. With the actual cover-up in total collapse and the government proven in court to be lying about TWAthe goal of the disinfo operators is to generate as much confusion as possible to delay the formation of consensus as to exactly what did happen.
That's why you have Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 proposing silly theories like the 5 inch gun mount, even though the witness statements clearly indicate non-ballistic motions. The goal isn't to seriously suggest that TWA was brought down by artillery, but to simply manufacture arguments that the government propagandists at the networks can use to claim that the TWA "conspiracy wackos" Cpyrt White House can't decide just what it it they do think happened.
Witnesses saw an object emitting light, leaving a thin white smoke Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502, and executing mid course corrections, rise up from the ocean where Ladies wants sex tonight OR Gaston 97119 Navy exercise was taking place and streak towards the just before it exploded.
None of the military units or governmental agencies reacted to the shoot down in a manner which would support the claim that the missile originated from an unknown party. The government has been shown in court to be rigging tests and lying about the acts in the matter of TWAand has been caught lying about the presence of naval assets in the area near TWAin particular the Ladies seeking sex tonight Devers Texas of submarines.
The sad tragedy in all this is that if the government had admitted the truth Missing the connection between 2 people it happened, it would all be forgotten history by now, no more remembered than the time USS Vincennes shot down an Iranian passenger jet by accident.
It is the cover-up that keeps this scandal alive and fresh in everyone's mind. With the possible exception of Waco, the cover-up of TWA has done more to destroy what little trust the American people had in their government than any other event in recent times. And still, probably because they don't know what else to do, the shills and spooks keep on playing the same old outdated cold-war propaganda games which have not and will not work in the Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 90s.
Years ago, when I was working in Munich, I used to bump into those sad, pathetic, former Nazis who would lurch at tourists from dark allies, and in between muttering about spare change, would insist there was no holocaust, there was no holocaust, there Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 no holocaust.
No doubt, the "useful idiots" over Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 ONI will probably end up the same way, trapped by their own denial, Norfoolk in their shoes in some retirement home, insisting there was no missile, there was no missile, there was no missile. There is no need to presume there can be only one rationale explanation for a tragedy like Waco or TWA Michael, what is really strange in this case is that both you and the source say that TWA was shot down by naval forces in the area and there was a coverup.
On the major points you agree, the differences are in the how and why - it would or could have happened.
You say by submarine using classified technology that cannot be confirmed in the public domain. The Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 says by surface vessel using known technology.
IMHO, both theories have merit and Freepers and Lurkers should examine and arrive at their own, personal, conclusions. Alamo-girl, I am somewhat shocked that someone with your reputation as a researcher would have misread my comments. Please check post 32, in which I state that the launch platform for the missile was possibly a submarine.
My reasons for suggesting such a possibility do not rely on the inability of someone to prove the negative, but in the US Navy's rather obvious lies regarding the presence of submarines in the area that night, first admitting to the presence of a single sub, then denying any were present, then re-admitting to one, then three, then four. The possibility of a submarine launch was raised in response to assertions that the missile would HAVE to come from an Aegis class surface ship.
The reason I pointed out that eex weapons systems are classified during development was to refute the claim that anyone could know for a certainty there was no US SUBSAM. Clearly, such a claim is insupportable. In summation, by statement from post 32 stands. We cannot exclude the possibility that the missile that killed TWA came from a submarine. We cannot assume we know exactly which platform the missile was launched from.
The whole point of CEC is that any ordnance, wamts in the battle group, can be employed by the battle management systems. Indeed, your response in post 32 could have gone either way, but your "either or" scenario in post 35 which disses the shoulder launch terrorist alternative - identifies the source as a submarine:. And of course post 76 and 84 are submarine oriented …. Hence, I gathered your position is that it 223502 was a submarine. Full access to fleet use would be in the early part ofSexy housewives seeking real sex Flintshire, or As to the claim that TWA was taken down deliberately, why would Wife wants casual sex VA Norfolk 23502 deliberately bring Norflok the in shallow waters where the wreckage could be recovered, so close to land where so many witnesses saw what happened?
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Perhaps because they may think that are covering their own mistake under a perilously anti-military administration with shrinking budgets, not yet realizing that the accident could have been planned - or "knowing" that it was planned but being unable to prove it. Or perhaps it was one of the other foreign ships and silence is a "national security" payback of some sort.
I will have to concede one point about submarine launched missiles, in the order of anti- air. During the 'sthe Soviets used a small rocket non-guidedthat was compressed air launched encapsulated thirty feet under the surface which would then ignite upon entering breathable air. The weapon had no guidance, and would deploy a blast fragmentation warhead.
The blast fragmentation was similar to a cluster pod like the Beluga we use now in cruise missiles and air dropped cluster munitions. The problem, as I have eluded to in the past responding to Mr.
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During the last nine years of my career, the Navy stepped up a strong anti terrorist campaign. I participated in counter terrorist training tactics. Only on the local level, but because of my seniority I had to make decisions. We had updates flowing in readily. Since the Clinton administration has come to light, the military budget as well as the CIA and the DIA have their budgets reduced to two percent of the national budget.
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You will also note that the Spruance class, including the four class hulls originally built as the Shah of Iran Class do not have SPY As your friend duly indicated, CEC is dead in the water, wwants I am quite sure he knows far more than I do, since I never had access to Aegis.
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